if hillary clinton does run, i find it hard to believe that the andrew cuomos and martin o'malleys of the world stay in. less clear for jeb. he's kind of the idealogical, the guy who can mash the conservatives and the kind of establishment. >> the purist versus the pragmatist. >> it's not clear to me that clinton is the natural heir to the obama coalition. is she to you? >> there is no natural heir. people want you to earn it. i think there's no argument out there that she hasn't earned it. she has. and you know, i think that she has done remarkably well as the secretary of state. and who was talking about it earlier? kevin was. that when she speaks, everybody in this country listens. you know, she is a voice of authority on so many issues. and also, this is the year of the woman. >> it's going to happen. and perry, here are the two most popular figures we tested in the last nbc/wall street journal poll, boast weth were named cli. bill and hillary, their approval ratings higher than the president's. >> that said, she's an overwhelming favorite. the heir, interesting thing stephanie sa